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Menaced by Trump, Canada wanted to pivot to E.U. Military equipment but No Chance as they all contain American technology… Only options left is become 51st State or befriend Russia/China?

March 20, 2025 9:32 am
Frontpage, Geopolitics, Military

Also, just so yall know, the Chinese have 2 6th-gen prototypes. One by  Shenyang (image number 2) which flew earlier this year and the one which  flew today (image 1) : r/IndianDefense
China’s 6th Gen Wonder… The out-of-this-world J36, J50, and the White Emperor NGAD

China unveils putative Sixth-Generation stealth fighter jets

According to New York Times,

Menaced by Trump, Canada Prepares to Join E.U. Military Industry Efforts

Canada is in advanced talks with the European Union to join the bloc’s new project to expand its military industry, a move that would allow Canada to be part of building European fighter jets and other military equipment at its own industrial facilities.

The budding defense cooperation between Canada and the European Union, which is racing to shore up its industry to lower reliance on the United States, would boost Canada’s military manufacturers and offer the country a new market at a time when its relationship with the United States has become frayed.

Shaken by a crisis in the two nations’ longstanding alliance since President Trump’s election, Canada has started moving closer to Europe. The military industry collaboration with the European Union highlights how traditional U.S. allies are deepening their ties without U.S. participation to insulate themselves from Mr. Trump’s unpredictable moves.

Canada’s new leader, Prime Minister Mark Carney, this week made Paris and London the destinations of his first overseas trip since taking office on Friday, calling Canada ā€œthe most European of non-European countries.ā€

After 10+ years of hyping up on state propganda,H-20 finally reviles it's  true face,don't ask why it exactly looks like B-2,BECAUSE IT'S NOOOOOT!!! :  r/NonCredibleDefense

China announces production for H20 Stealth Bomber has began… Making 20 units right now.

Xian H-20, 100% PLAAF indigenous design : r/NonCredibleDefense

Two officials, one from the European Union and one from Canada, with direct knowledge of the discussions said detailed talks were underway to incorporate Canada into the European Union’s new defense initiative. The goal is to boost the E.U.’s defense industry and eventually offer a credible alternative to the United States, which is now dominant.

Specifically, the officials said, Canada would be able to become part of the European military manufacturing roster, marketing its industrial facilities to build European systems like the Saab Gripen jet, a competitor to the American F-35, which is made by Lockheed Martin.

However, the Americans could derail attempts to buy alternatives, as all of the jets contain U.S.-built equipment,

U.S. could block any attempts by Canada to pivot from F-35 jet deal: analysts

As Canada looks to potentially find another fighter jet to replace the American F-35, it could run into problems with the U.S. vetoing any of its new choices, defence analysts warn.

Prime Minister Mark Carney has ordered a review of the country’s F-35 purchase in the wake of an increasingly hostile United States and threats by President Donald Trump to damage Canada’s economy.

What do people outside or Sweden think about the SAAB JAS 39 Gripen? :  r/FighterJets
Saab’s Gripen E fighter jet is an alternative being considered to the American-made F-35.

Carney confirmed March 17 that he had discussions with French and British government officials about whether those countries could build a fighter jet in Canada.

The Liberal government has committed $19 billion to purchase 88 F-35s from the U.S., but is only under contract for the first 16 planes.

The Liberals could consider purchases of Eurofighter jets, built by a consortium which includes Airbus, as well as the French-built Rafale. Another favoured aircraft is the Saab Gripen from Sweden. Saab was the runner-up in Canada’s fighter jet contest andĀ had proposed building Gripens in Canada.

But, because all of these jets contain U.S.-built equipment, the Americans could block any potential sales to Canada, defence analysts say.

The Gripen engine, for instance, is American technology.

ā€œThe ability of the Americans to block (a sale) would be highest with the Gripen because of the engine,ā€ said defence analyst Martin Shadwick, who is retired from teaching strategic studies at York University in Toronto. ā€œRafale would have the least American content.ā€

Oops.

Alan Williams, the former chief of procurement at the Department of National Defence, said the U.S. had the ability to block sales of equipment with American technology and noted that Trump was trying to send a message to Canada by engaging in a trade war.

Williams said the F-35 represented a strategic vulnerability for Canada since the U.S. hasĀ total control over software upgrades and spare partsĀ on the aircraft. ā€œI would not expect (Trump) to hold back software updates but it is a risk,ā€ he added.

U.S. could block any attempts by Canada to pivot from F-35 jet deal because these jets contain U.S.-built equipment.

China commissioned two 6th Gen Stealth Fighters (J36 & J50) recently

Some of the clearest footage of the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation’s (SAC)  6th generation fighter ā€œJ-50ā€ airframe, which was first spotted flying over  China on December 26. This aircraft appears to ...

YouTube video

That said, Canada only got two sources for figther jets that’s not controlled by the U.S. — Russia and China.

Unfortunately for Canada, choosing Russian or Chinese fighter jets would be extremely unlikely and impractical for several reasons:

  1. Security & Alliances – Canada is a key NATO member and part of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance. Buying military aircraft from Russia or China would create massive security risks and likely damage relationships with allies, especially the U.S.

  2. Interoperability – Canadian forces operate alongside U.S. and NATO allies. Russian or Chinese jets would not be compatible with existing NATO systems, weapons, and maintenance infrastructure.

  3. Geopolitical Consequences – Purchasing military equipment from adversarial nations would spark serious diplomatic backlash from allies and could even result in economic sanctions or restrictions.

  4. Reliability & Support – Russian and Chinese jets may be cheaper on paper, but long-term support, spare parts, and upgrades would be uncertain. Sanctions on Russia, for example, have already caused supply chain issues for their own military.

Russia is out of the question since Canada is still supporting the Ukraine War, this leaves Canada with only China should they wanted armament that is truly free from America technology.

While it is unlikely for Canada to purchase significant military equipment from China due to a range of geopolitical, strategic, and ethical considerations. However, if we were to hypothetically explore the possibility, here are some types of weapons and military systems that China produces and could theoretically offer:

1. Drones

  • Reconnaissance Drones: China produces a variety of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for reconnaissance and surveillance, such as the Wing Loong series and the CH-4 and CH-5 drones. These are comparable to the U.S.-made MQ-9 Reaper and are used for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) missions.

You know what? fck it imma go unhinged, Premium Drones for the Snail :  r/WarthunderPlayerUnion

  • Combat Drones: China also manufactures armed drones, such as the Wing Loong II, which can carry precision-guided missiles and bombs for strike missions.

2. Submarines

  • Conventional Submarines: China produces diesel-electric submarines like the Type 039A Yuan-class, which are designed for anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare. These submarines are relatively modern and could be an option for countries looking to expand their underwater capabilities.

1620 x 1080] Chinese Type 039C submarine with its unusual sail design :  r/WarshipPorn

  • Export Variants: China has exported submarines to countries like Pakistan and Thailand, offering customized versions of its domestic designs.

3. Missiles

  • Anti-Ship Missiles: China produces advanced anti-ship missiles like the YJ-12 and YJ-18, which are designed to target naval vessels. These missiles are comparable to Western systems like the Harpoon or Exocet.

H-6K bomber launching a YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missile

gif] H-6K bomber launching a YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missile :  r/WarplanePorn

  • Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAMs): China’s HQ-9 and HQ-16 SAM systems are designed for air defense and could be used to protect critical infrastructure or military bases.

TRISHUL: China's HQ-9/HQ-16N LR-SAMs Profiled

  • Ballistic Missiles: While less likely for export, China has developed short- and medium-range ballistic missiles like the DF-21 and DF-26, though these are typically not sold to other countries due to their strategic nature.

China's Hypersonic Dongfeng 21D Ballistic Missile Is An Aircraft Carrier  Killer : r/worldnews

4. Naval Vessels

  • Frigates and Corvettes: China exports smaller naval vessels, such as the Type 054A frigate and Type 056 corvette, which are designed for coastal defense and anti-submarine warfare.

The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants" -- PLAN Type 056  corvettes on patrol. With 71 ships launched since 2012, Type 056 has become  the most widely produced

  • Amphibious Assault Ships: China has also developed amphibious ships like the Type 071, which could be used for expeditionary operations.

PLAN Type 071 Amphibious Transport Dock Wuzhishan LPD-987. [5432x3056] : r /WarshipPorn

5. Aircraft

  • Fighter Jets: China produces fourth-generation fighter jets like the JF-17 Thunder (developed in collaboration with Pakistan) and the J-10, which are marketed to countries seeking cost-effective alternatives to Western fighters.

A PAF JF-17 Thunder taxiing after landing : r/aviation

  • Trainer Aircraft: China also manufactures trainer aircraft like the Hongdu L-15, which could be used for pilot training.

Hongdu L-15 Falcon supersonic trainer during an airshow in China, 2010  [1024Ɨ780] : r/WarplanePorn

6. Radar and Electronic Warfare Systems

  • China produces advanced radar systems, such as the JY-27A long-range surveillance radar, and electronic warfare equipment that could enhance situational awareness and battlefield capabilities.

JY-27A - Radartutorial

As it is now,

Only 40% of air force inventory ready for action as Canada rethinks its F-35 contract

Mixed fleets and avoiding American firms come with their own challenges

That means Canada is basically toast, militarily speaking.

As far as we’re concerned, Canada either become 51st State or, do something radical eg. pivot to China.

Good luck, Canada the cherished Great White North.

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